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Testing to destruction China $50.00 a pound jadeite

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« on: July 22, 2010, 06:15:58 pm »

The purpose of these tests is to try and save the rest of you a bunch of money that photos and descriptions of China stone might pry from your hard earned dollars.  Quite frankly, every stone I have bought from China was garbage and not worth near the money I spent on it,  Pietersite, Turquoise and now Jadeite.  I need to find rare stone from around the world for my customers so I need to take risks.  China has been absolutely the worst for getting junk from glowing photos and descriptions.  This was the last straw and I have no intention to ever buy any stone being sold from China.

So, here is the story in a short version.  I found a seller with beautiful photos of rough Jadeite with polished windows on his stones all showing a beautiful emerald green interior.  The first photos shows what the Jadeite looks like in the Ebay descriptions.  The cost is right at $50.00 a pound so it is not cheap by any measure.  I found a small piece for sale that looked exceptional in the photos and bought it as a test piece.  See the first photos.  An interesting point is as soon as I told the seller I was expecting to leave negative feedback he erased the photos of the piece I bought!  Additional proof that fraud is known and intended by the seller.

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1) A photo the seller lists with the incredible emerald green windows all over the stone.  I have figured out how they do this.  They use a very bright light to "see" through the skin to the few bright bands and spots of great colored jadeiite inside.

2) A photo I took of one of the windows on the stone I bought at $50.00 a pound.

3) The actual slabs cut from the piece.  The slabs now reside in my give away box as not one is useable for a knife.

4) The bright color minor sections that they spot and window to make the stone look to be exceptioinal Jadite.  Even unhealed fractures were found in cutting this Jadeite cobble.

5) What you will actually get if you waste your money and actually buy from them.  I do not beleive you would ever be sucessful in getting a refund if you try to return a piece to China so I didn't even bother to try.

6)  Here is a photo of how the Jadeite polishes.  It has huge issues with partially healed or stress marks and looks HORRIBLE even polished.  It is not even a tight grained Jadite as would be expected at $50.00 a pound!

A bit more information - I do not believe it is Jadeite from China.  In my expert opinion, based on cutting and owning dozens of pounds of Burma Jadeite - It is low grade Burma Jadite which is illegal to sell in the USA since 2003 and still imported to China.

Hopefully you will enjoy this posting and learn a bit of good information.  My advice - BUY NO STONE FROM CHINA.



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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 06:48:30 pm »

Wow!....  thank you for sharing your information.  Let the buyer beware, I suppose.  hide
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 07:42:52 pm »

I've seen this item on Ebay also and wondered about them myself.  I've also concluded that 90% of the time if you buy anything from Ebay listed as Jade it will either be Bowenite, Aventurine or something similar.  But in my cases, what could I expect paying about $10.00 for an 6lb rough.  Thank you for the testing and information sharing!

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2010, 08:00:24 pm »

Thank you for sharing. This information is good to know! Would you mind sharing the sellers name?
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 08:57:13 pm »

Do an Ebay search for jadeite rough.  From the photos, there will be no doubt as to the seller was. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 08:58:19 pm »

I too have had horrible experiences with purchasing minerals from China. The last was a chunk of Pietersite.

I suppose if a person is going to purchase from China Ebay sellers, the same precausions should be taken as any other sellers. Check their history/feedback.

Jade would certainly be one to really think hard about when purchasing from China. Your Testing To Destruction with the piece you purchased is a good example.

I use to collect Chinese Snuff bottles. Got into buying one made of various gemstone minerals. I had good luck with a couple of old Nephrite bottles. Although I did get took an one labeled as White Jade, and turned out to be glass.

Thanks for sharing this !
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2010, 09:24:32 pm »

Years ago I bought from the well-known Ebay seller Selling what he called jadeite from China. After slabbing it everything told me it was not jadeite. I decided to do a simple scratch test to test its hardness and found that a steal blade could scratch it easily which it should not be able to do at all. I went back to see his feedback to find who else bought it and if anyone else caught onto this scam and found to my surprise no one else caught on and by that time he already sold several hundred pounds. I found another seller who bought it from him and was reselling as slabs and told him what I found. He did the same test and also a specific gravity, which also came out with the same results that this was not jadeite. When I told the seller he told me I did not know what I was talking about and that he already had many satisfied customers and would not give me a refund because I had already slabbed the rock. Lesson learned
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2010, 06:08:01 am »


A bit more information - I do not believe it is Jadeite from China.  In my expert opinion, based on cutting and owning dozens of pounds of Burma Jadeite - It is low grade Burma Jadite which is illegal to sell in the USA since 2003 and still imported to China.

Why is Burma Jadeite illegal to sell in the USA?
I'm curious because I haven't heard about this before.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2010, 07:23:50 am »

Here is an article for you Amanda..

Referring to the crackdown on monks in 2007 and the junta’s decision to place restrictions on international aid for cyclone victims, Berman said: “These brutal actions demonstrate the regime’s moral bankruptcy, but unfortunately it is far from financially bankrupt.”

While the Burmese people live in abject poverty, Burma’s military leaders continue to take Burma’s vast natural resources as their own, he said.
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2010, 08:40:23 am »

Michael, keep showing your testing and results. Love it!
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2010, 09:34:32 am »

 On July 28th 2003, US President George W. Bush signed into law the Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003 (H.R. 2330). This act bans the importation into the United States of any article that is produced, mined, manufactured, grown or assembled in Burma.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2010, 10:06:26 am »

Thanks again for posting this information!
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2010, 01:51:50 pm »

Pietersite is another chinese rock that is very risky to buy on ebay...They use intense lighting and only take pics of the best areas magnified greatly..I know how to read pietersite well and have gotten some good pieces but most ly not so good.  Chinese pietersite is also usually very cracked and sometimes pitted..The African pietersite is also hard to buy from pictures though usually better than the Chinese..it can have many flaws that you cant see in pics..especially pitting..Gary3
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2010, 02:54:12 pm »

Here is an article for you Amanda..

Thank you.  Thats makes more sense now.
I feel quite badly for the people who couldn't even get the aid that was supposed to be for them. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2010, 04:11:42 pm »

Pietersite is another chinese rock that is very risky to buy on ebay...They use intense lighting and only take pics of the best areas magnified greatly..I know how to read pietersite well and have gotten some good pieces but most ly not so good.  Chinese pietersite is also usually very cracked and sometimes pitted..

That is exactly what I found too. It looks absolutely beautiful in the pics, and then when it arrives..  dunno

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