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100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade

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« on: January 08, 2016, 04:24:55 pm »

Testing to destruction - 100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade

Now this one is so blatantly fraud that for the 1st time I am pursing a claim through Ebay and PayPal.   But I will elaborate on that a bit further into this test.

This first photo shows the "Natural A grade Jade" as it came from China and with a light through the piece.  It was very obviously even colored but had no seams and did appear to have been sanded and polished.  Using a 10X loupe I could see sanding marks and some texture which leads to my determination of the piece being sanded and polished - probably to get rid of a casting line.

Also one picture shows the MOHS test pick scratch from a freshly sharpened 5 MOHS pick.  The five pick did not scratch it until I put a fresh edge onto it as it took a 6 MOHS pick to initially scratch it.  The more clear scratch is from the 6MOHS pick.



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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 04:27:49 pm »

To be certain I was right about the piece being Glass I used my trusty torch and these pictures are from that part of the test.



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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 04:28:55 pm »

The test ended quickly with a very light tap from my 4 ounce peining hammer.



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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2016, 04:37:02 pm »

The claim process will be interesting as here is the sellers return policy:

"If you need return, please check twice to confirm the item not work and  contact our customer service representative, let us know the detailed  problem and send us some pictures for confirmation. and if buyer insist  on returning, after our technical engineer checked the received return  is without any quality problem,all the charge is at buyer's expense.

 We ONLY accept the return for original package. Please make sure the item  have NO man-made sabotage. If you purchased in improper condition,please NOTE that the shipping and handling fee will not be refund, all  return shipping fee should paid by the buyer.

 Refunds given only if item cannot be replaced via PAYPAL. If so, Please reported within 5 days and return to us within 14  days from the delivery date for exchange or refund. PLS DO NOTE WE ARE  NOT RESPONSIBLE IF PROBLEM EXCEED OF THIS TIME LIMITE."

I will post any follow up by Ebay, the seller and PayPal!   dancer5
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2016, 05:01:11 pm »

This will be interesting.  Go get 'em, Michael!   crackthewhip
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2016, 05:59:23 pm »

    Well, I would hope that they just run them off E-Bay and it will be money well spent. We could even pass the hat and cover your expenses in these worthwhile tests. Good Job....  and thanks

       Next you could look at, not buy, the $5,000 Heitian Jade on Etsy. The shop also sells stuff for $6. All lab tested of course. You will know the shop when you search for Heitian Jade and see the multi-thousand dollar carved stones.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 06:00:35 pm »

"Please make sure the item  have NO man-made sabotage"

Friggen hilarious.....Good stuff Michael. Thanks for your persistence on this subject.  hatsoff
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2016, 08:57:46 pm »

"Please make sure the item  have NO man-made sabotage"

Well, hopefully they do not find this thread.   shemademe
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 09:20:21 am »

Here is a seller I dealt with a few months back. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12CT-AAA-Grade-Deep-Blue-Aquamarine-925-Solid-Genuine-Sterling-Silver-Pendant-/291656004419?hash=item43e80d7343:g:y-4AAOSwLN5WkHky
Virtually everything this seller has is total fake including both stones and metal.  Ebay doesn't care.  Their policy only covers returns.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2016, 11:25:22 am »

slaqbbercabber -  That seller would be difficult to tackle.  Most of his descriptions such as "amethyst" are also recognized as colors by encyclopedia's.  Even the opals being referred to as Australian are difficult to challenge as synthetic opals are sold in Australia.  Even the stones that are not usually described as a color are made synthetically at very low cost.   The seller is very careful in almost every listing to never claim it is a certified natural stone.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2016, 12:47:04 am »

Good luck Michael, you can point out to the seller that jade should easily deal with a MOH's 6 point, a little heat, and a gentle tap..  dancer5

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2016, 09:35:18 am »

you should repost it for sale with a description and price that will ensure it comes up at the top of the list; including pictures of course :)
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2016, 01:15:48 pm »

slaqbbercabber -  That seller would be difficult to tackle.  Most of his descriptions such as "amethyst" are also recognized as colors by encyclopedia's.  Even the opals being referred to as Australian are difficult to challenge as synthetic opals are sold in Australia.  Even the stones that are not usually described as a color are made synthetically at very low cost.   The seller is very careful in almost every listing to never claim it is a certified natural stone.
What about the rutilated quartz? That seller lists the main stone as quartz. It looks funny to me, but maybe it is a doublet with a thin layer of actual rutilated quartz? Either that or it is just faked somehow?
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2016, 10:18:52 pm »

So, here we go!  I filed a counterfeit item claim and this is the response forwarded to me from EBAY.

Hi redrummd1,

leyingh is out of the office

From:eBay

Sent:Jan-09-16 21:17

leyingh is out of the office until 01/14/2016 and may not be able to respond to your message.


Message from leyingh:
hi,dear friend.
Thanks for your supporting and kind understanding.
Sorry I could not reply your message on time,as I am leaving for the meeting from Jan.10th to Jan.15th.
If you have any questions,pls leave me a message,I will reply as soon as I get back from the holiday.
Best regards!
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2016, 10:23:28 pm »

Next - I left negative feedback stating their Jade and Jadeite were in fact glass.

Fairly quickly I got this response from leyingh -


Re: Returns: redrummd1 sent a message about 100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade #121818244907

From:leyingh

To:redrummd1

Sent:Jan-11-16 00:24
Dear redrummd1,

hi,dear friend
Would you pls help to remove the negative feedback?
If you really don't like the bangle,I could give you the full refund.
Many thanks for your kind understanding.
If there is any misunderstanding,pls let me know.I will give you a satisfied answer.
Best regards!
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2016, 10:26:44 pm »

So that brings the story to where it is now.


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Sent:Jan-11-16 21:12

Dear leyingh,

You may CHALLENGE my feedback but I have the glass you claim is Jade.

You still have the responsibility to make a refund as your description is fraudulent. Ebay will stand behind my comments and claims so if you insist I return the broken glass, you will be paying the cost of shipping back to China which is incredibly costly, plus the refund.


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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2016, 01:20:54 pm »

Lots of by from sender!
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2016, 05:32:03 pm »

"I will give you a satisfied answer".

I'm rolling on the floor
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2016, 02:49:22 pm »

Advise leyingh that things will be cleared up when real jade is sent.  Tell him not to "sabotage" yippie his chance to clear up the misunderstanding.

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2016, 10:52:07 pm »

Things were stalled so I escalated the dispute up through Ebay a bit past 9:00 PM Pacific Time.  Here is the note they sent me at 9:24 PM.
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:24 PM
To: redrummd@comcast.net
Subject: You have asked us to step in and help with 100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade

 
eBay sent this message to Michael Hoover (redrummd1).
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Wait up to 48 hours for us to get back to you.   


Hi redrummd1,
 

You have asked us to step in and help. We'll make a decision within 48 hours.
 

We'll get back to you within 48 hours.

You can view the details of this case in the Resolution Center.
 
100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade
Item # :   121818244907
Sale price:   $13.00
Quantity:   1
Sale date:   Dec-23-15 21:08:46 PST
Seller:   leyingh
Case #:   5098225267
Case opened:   Jan-15-16 21:23:34 PST
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2016, 10:55:55 pm »

19 minutes later -

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:43 PM
To: Michael Hoover
Subject: Refund from 李 颍豪

 
李 颍豪 just sent you a refund   Jan 15, 2016 21:43:08 PST
Transaction ID: 5WH649971C330252H

Dear Art in Stone,
李 颍豪 just sent you a full refund of $15.00 USD for your purchase.
If you have any questions about this refund, please contact 李 颍豪.
The refund will go to your PayPal account.
To see all the transaction details, please log into your PayPal account. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account.
Seller
李 颍豪
makeittobelee@hotmail.com
Note from seller
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Original transaction details
Description   Unit price   Qty   Amount
100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade
Item #: 121818244907   $13.00 USD   1   $13.00 USD
 


Shipping and handling:    $2.00 USD
Insurance:    $0.00 USD
Total:    $15.00 USD
 
Refund to PayPal Balance:    $15.00 USD

Invoice Number: PGW_22166050018
Sincerely,
PayPal   

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2016, 10:58:37 pm »

The negative feedback remains.  dancer5
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 08:31:58 am »

Heh.  You rock, Michael!   yes
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 09:53:11 am »

Negative feedback remains, indeed. Right there amongst 163 enthusiastically positive ones.

Reckon that's why "less than ethical" sellers love doing business there. They can just keep on selling crap to people who don't know the difference.

Thanks for this thread, and for giving that scammer one black eye. They didn't even bother to rebut your negative on their feedback page, and have plenty more "jade" still for sale.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2016, 10:14:15 am »

Watch eBay allow the seller to continue to sell no matter what. IMO, even if many people complain in the future, it won't matter. A few years ago a seller was selling very uniquely faceted stones. After receiving a set of 2 stones, I next ordered 3 more and received 5 stones after waiting over a month. I was told it was an error and asked to forward the extras to their intended buyer, which I did (and was never compensated for postage, but assured I'd get it back with next order). In the meantime, I had ordered and paid for another set of stones (before paying the postage). They never arrived. I noticed no one else was getting their stones either. The seller reassured me over and over that they had been shipped. Ebay refunded my money and many others themselves and cancelled the seller when this happened to EVERY buyer for several weeks, with none getting their orders. A few months later, the seller was back under virtually the same name, with the exact same very unique stones. I wrote to eBay and Paypal. They let the seller continue to sell. I called Paypal. They thanked me and assured me they'd get rid of him. They didn't. I think he eventually did the same thing again and disappeared again, leaving them again on the hook for all those orders. Under the buyer protection, eBay is the one who ends up paying in this situation. Go figure.
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:43 PM
To: Michael Hoover
Subject: Refund from 李 颍豪

 
李 颍豪 just sent you a refund   Jan 15, 2016 21:43:08 PST
Transaction ID: 5WH649971C330252H

Dear Art in Stone,
李 颍豪 just sent you a full refund of $15.00 USD for your purchase.
If you have any questions about this refund, please contact 李 颍豪.
The refund will go to your PayPal account.
To see all the transaction details, please log into your PayPal account. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account.
Seller
李 颍豪
makeittobelee@hotmail.com
Note from seller
None provided

Original transaction details
Description   Unit price   Qty   Amount
100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade
Item #: 121818244907   $13.00 USD   1   $13.00 USD
 


Shipping and handling:    $2.00 USD
Insurance:    $0.00 USD
Total:    $15.00 USD
 
Refund to PayPal Balance:    $15.00 USD

Invoice Number: PGW_22166050018
Sincerely,
PayPal   


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