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100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade

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« on: January 08, 2016, 04:24:55 pm »

Testing to destruction - 100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade

Now this one is so blatantly fraud that for the 1st time I am pursing a claim through Ebay and PayPal.   But I will elaborate on that a bit further into this test.

This first photo shows the "Natural A grade Jade" as it came from China and with a light through the piece.  It was very obviously even colored but had no seams and did appear to have been sanded and polished.  Using a 10X loupe I could see sanding marks and some texture which leads to my determination of the piece being sanded and polished - probably to get rid of a casting line.

Also one picture shows the MOHS test pick scratch from a freshly sharpened 5 MOHS pick.  The five pick did not scratch it until I put a fresh edge onto it as it took a 6 MOHS pick to initially scratch it.  The more clear scratch is from the 6MOHS pick.



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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 04:27:49 pm »

To be certain I was right about the piece being Glass I used my trusty torch and these pictures are from that part of the test.



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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 04:28:55 pm »

The test ended quickly with a very light tap from my 4 ounce peining hammer.



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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2016, 04:37:02 pm »

The claim process will be interesting as here is the sellers return policy:

"If you need return, please check twice to confirm the item not work and  contact our customer service representative, let us know the detailed  problem and send us some pictures for confirmation. and if buyer insist  on returning, after our technical engineer checked the received return  is without any quality problem,all the charge is at buyer's expense.

 We ONLY accept the return for original package. Please make sure the item  have NO man-made sabotage. If you purchased in improper condition,please NOTE that the shipping and handling fee will not be refund, all  return shipping fee should paid by the buyer.

 Refunds given only if item cannot be replaced via PAYPAL. If so, Please reported within 5 days and return to us within 14  days from the delivery date for exchange or refund. PLS DO NOTE WE ARE  NOT RESPONSIBLE IF PROBLEM EXCEED OF THIS TIME LIMITE."

I will post any follow up by Ebay, the seller and PayPal!   dancer5
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2016, 05:01:11 pm »

This will be interesting.  Go get 'em, Michael!   crackthewhip
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2016, 05:59:23 pm »

    Well, I would hope that they just run them off E-Bay and it will be money well spent. We could even pass the hat and cover your expenses in these worthwhile tests. Good Job....  and thanks

       Next you could look at, not buy, the $5,000 Heitian Jade on Etsy. The shop also sells stuff for $6. All lab tested of course. You will know the shop when you search for Heitian Jade and see the multi-thousand dollar carved stones.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 06:00:35 pm »

"Please make sure the item  have NO man-made sabotage"

Friggen hilarious.....Good stuff Michael. Thanks for your persistence on this subject.  hatsoff
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2016, 08:57:46 pm »

"Please make sure the item  have NO man-made sabotage"

Well, hopefully they do not find this thread.   shemademe
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 09:20:21 am »

Here is a seller I dealt with a few months back. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12CT-AAA-Grade-Deep-Blue-Aquamarine-925-Solid-Genuine-Sterling-Silver-Pendant-/291656004419?hash=item43e80d7343:g:y-4AAOSwLN5WkHky
Virtually everything this seller has is total fake including both stones and metal.  Ebay doesn't care.  Their policy only covers returns.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2016, 11:25:22 am »

slaqbbercabber -  That seller would be difficult to tackle.  Most of his descriptions such as "amethyst" are also recognized as colors by encyclopedia's.  Even the opals being referred to as Australian are difficult to challenge as synthetic opals are sold in Australia.  Even the stones that are not usually described as a color are made synthetically at very low cost.   The seller is very careful in almost every listing to never claim it is a certified natural stone.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2016, 12:47:04 am »

Good luck Michael, you can point out to the seller that jade should easily deal with a MOH's 6 point, a little heat, and a gentle tap..  dancer5

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2016, 09:35:18 am »

you should repost it for sale with a description and price that will ensure it comes up at the top of the list; including pictures of course :)
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2016, 01:15:48 pm »

slaqbbercabber -  That seller would be difficult to tackle.  Most of his descriptions such as "amethyst" are also recognized as colors by encyclopedia's.  Even the opals being referred to as Australian are difficult to challenge as synthetic opals are sold in Australia.  Even the stones that are not usually described as a color are made synthetically at very low cost.   The seller is very careful in almost every listing to never claim it is a certified natural stone.
What about the rutilated quartz? That seller lists the main stone as quartz. It looks funny to me, but maybe it is a doublet with a thin layer of actual rutilated quartz? Either that or it is just faked somehow?
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2016, 10:18:52 pm »

So, here we go!  I filed a counterfeit item claim and this is the response forwarded to me from EBAY.

Hi redrummd1,

leyingh is out of the office

From:eBay

Sent:Jan-09-16 21:17

leyingh is out of the office until 01/14/2016 and may not be able to respond to your message.


Message from leyingh:
hi,dear friend.
Thanks for your supporting and kind understanding.
Sorry I could not reply your message on time,as I am leaving for the meeting from Jan.10th to Jan.15th.
If you have any questions,pls leave me a message,I will reply as soon as I get back from the holiday.
Best regards!
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2016, 10:23:28 pm »

Next - I left negative feedback stating their Jade and Jadeite were in fact glass.

Fairly quickly I got this response from leyingh -


Re: Returns: redrummd1 sent a message about 100% Natural Green Hetian Nephrite Jade Bangle Bracelet "Handmade" A Grade #121818244907

From:leyingh

To:redrummd1

Sent:Jan-11-16 00:24
Dear redrummd1,

hi,dear friend
Would you pls help to remove the negative feedback?
If you really don't like the bangle,I could give you the full refund.
Many thanks for your kind understanding.
If there is any misunderstanding,pls let me know.I will give you a satisfied answer.
Best regards!
- leyingh
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