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« on: October 08, 2014, 05:35:50 pm »

   Got the borax but living in Canada I can't find the denatured alcohol....this has probably been asked before but I need a substitution. I just started my jewellery making endeavor getting a little overwhelmed by how much I need to know but don't....any help would be wonderful.
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 05:58:06 pm »

How about lacquer thinner, is that available in Canada?
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 08:04:59 pm »

Denatured alcohol and plain old drug store rubbing alcohol are one and the same. If you can't get that, hit the local booze store for Ron Rico 151 rum.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2014, 11:38:26 pm »

Rubbing alcohol is isopropyl alcohol (poisonous). Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol (ethanol, the drinking type) with a small amount of isopropyl alcohol added to render it undrinkable. They are not the same.
I use denatured alcohol in my alcohol lamp because it doesn't burn as dirty as the isopropyl alcohol. I use the denatured stuff for various cleaning activities because it is less toxic.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2014, 11:45:47 pm »

Can you get Everclear? It's 150 proof ethanol, and in some areas you can get it 190 proof.
The best part is that if it doesn't work, you can mix one heck of a cocktail, and you won't care anyways!
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2014, 12:22:10 am »

Nirena, maybe Canada has very strict environmental rules but here in the U.S. denatured alcohol is readily available at hardware stores.  It even comes in gallon cans and so far the Green Freaks haven't found a reason to try to ban it.  It's not for drinking but it burns cleanly in alcohol lamps and works well for cleaning stones before dopping.  Let us know how your search works out.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 04:40:11 am »

I don't know if it is still sold this way, but I have several gallons of paint thinner that is actually denatured alcohol.  Read the small print.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2014, 07:36:54 am »

I bought some sterling silver now I need a fire coat but living in Canada there is no denatured alcohol that I can find...is there some thing else I can use?

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 08:21:08 am »

any hardware store should carry it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 08:47:02 am »

  That's the problem they don't indead they sold me some Methyl Hydrate.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2014, 09:42:51 am »

Merged two identical topics!
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2014, 11:43:19 am »

Why not get a commercial flux,  the use of a borax cone rubbed on a slate to make a flux with denatured alcohol is very old school,  effective but there are now commercial alternatives.

Just avoid a flux containing fluorides.

For fire scale prevention two points,  First get the heat on and off of the object to be soldered as quickly as possible,  excessive heating will only cause more fire-scale.  Secondly you can make a homemade Pripps flux using borax, boric acid and Tri sodium phosphate [TSP].  Pure Borax is available as pro cure in the sporting goods departments, used to cure salmon eggs for bait. Boric acid is availabe in the home centers, used for roach control, and TSP is available in the paint department,  be sure to get real TSP and not tsp substitute.  look up pripps flux on line to get the proportions.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2014, 01:22:53 pm »

this is interesting...

http://blog.bigsnit.com/2010/05/01/finding-denatured-alcohol-in-canada/
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2014, 01:46:39 pm »

Methyl Hydrate is wood alcohol and should work just fine for what you want to do.
Two different types of alcohol methanol and ethanol (grain alcohol).

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2014, 05:35:20 pm »

Well ain't that a kick in the butt! I use naphtha for degreaseing better known as lighter fluid, comes in gallon cans at Home Depot and Lowe's. Don't know about Canada but some guys still use Zippo lighters here  that use it as a fuel, but it good for fuel in an alcohol lamp too, a little smoky but it works.
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2015, 10:24:22 am »

I know this is an older thread, but I'm going to respond in hopes it helps someone else sometime. In Canada, you can get denatured alcohol from marine/boating stores. The brand name is Captain Phab. Better than using methyl hydrate.
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2015, 10:45:40 am »

Here in the US it should be no problem getting this type of alcohol. We produce millions (billions?) of gallons of it to mix in our gasoline!
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2015, 04:58:51 pm »

I still don't know what you use the alcohol for? 
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2015, 04:49:10 pm »

The denatured alcohol is mixed with Borax for a fire scale preventative.  The item to be soldered is dipped into the alcohol/borax mixture, set aflame to burn off the alcohol and then soldered.
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