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« on: November 09, 2011, 09:12:20 am »

Excluding existing members current selling activities..

New members are required to have 50 posts under your belts before selling within the shop and swap section of the forum.

I have made one serious error in judgement recently. As a result, myself and am sure most all existing members would agree how important it is for new members to participate regurlarly within the forum for a period of time before being allowed to offer items up for sale.

The truth is, that once you partipate regurlarly, we will all get to know you just by the nature of your interaction within the forum.  You will find that just by participating regurlarly, we will all become well aware if you provide rough, slabs or other lapidary related items as a result of that interaction..

The exception is if another member "contacts you". "Asks and initiates" a purchase from you prior to your 50 posts.. 

Glad your here, and looking forward to getting to know you !


 
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2011, 12:37:03 pm »

George, I totally agree with this new rule, but maybe it should be 1000 posts, no only kidding.  I think for the most part, we can all tell when someone is here to just sell and it is irritating to the members who are here to share and learn and make friends.  This will be a good rule and hopefully it will keep the riffraff away.  I personally enjoy buying from forum members and hope to get off my sore butt and start some more selling myself.

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2011, 04:43:41 pm »

Here here George!!!!!!!!! yes
I don't think the rule is at all unreasonable. A person should interact & let us get to know them first. It's pretty clear after a short time. To those of us that are "into" the hobby/bussiness. Who is & who isn't. Don't beat your self up over this George. These things happen & I think we all like to give the other guy/gall the bennafit of the doubt. When they are new & a plausable story. Just glad they were found out. Hope the victim gets a good quantity of his/her property returned & the "perp" gets a goodly jail time.
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 05:17:07 pm »

How do I find the auction section? I have things to sell and am to retarted to find it.
thanks in advance as I may not find my way back here.  ROLF
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 06:48:53 pm »

How do I find the auction section?

Here ya go Michael..

http://gemstone.smfforfree4.com/index.php?action=classifieds;cat=2
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 08:37:45 pm »

It all sounds good to me George!   yes
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 07:18:11 am »


Spot on George. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 08:25:33 am »

Good rule and well stated, George.  I remember when Dougy first showed up, there were some testy posts.  Funny how first impressions work out.  Even though it's only online, I think we all do get a feel for each other and have a comfort zone here.  If someone does not want to be a part of that prior to selling, there are other opportunities to sell online elsewhere.  Bravo!

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2013, 10:24:51 pm »

Hi I am new and just trying to grasp how the forum works.  I am a beginner lapidary artists my start and passion is in jewellery!  Thank you for the start up info!
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2013, 07:02:50 am »

This is my very first post and Im sure not my last.  I just wanted to let you know, I have no issue with this rule and fully understand it.  I look forward to acquiring knowledge and even giving some, what little I have that is.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 07:34:04 am »

Welcome CaptnKidd.  You should go over to the Introductions thread and introduce yourself.  Go to the thread at:

Lapidary / Gemstone Community Forum > Forum > The Gathering > Introductions

Tell us a little about yourself and please post pictures of what you do and anything else pertinent.  We talk about all things lapidary, stone, jewelry, and life in general.  Any questions, please just ask.  This is an incredible group of generous and caring people who will quickly become your friends.  This forum is full of people with wide ranging experience and expertise from so many different domains. Someone here will usually know what someone is talking about no matter how far out it is. Several resident aliens on board to explain the workings and politics of the universe out there and probably more than a few ghosts haunting the boards after hours.  A few whackos like me too.

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 07:52:06 am »

I, too, would be a little suspicious if someone just popped up and wanted to sell some items after not participating on the forum for awhile.  However, there are some of us - me certainly - who, while we enjoy and read the forum on a daily basis - may not have that much to contribute on a regular basis.  For example, I'm a regular contributor on two other forums and I think I'm trusted there (I don't sell on either at this point although I may in the future).  If I made jewelry or some other sellable item that pertained to gemstones/lapidary, I'd hate to think that I couldn't here simply because I don't have the requisite number of posts.  Like anywhere else, it should be caveat emptor prior to buying anything, anywhere.  If you do your due diligence you should be rarely disappointed.  An artificial number, any number, is just that - artificial.  There may be some who would enter the requisite number of jibber jabber posts just to meet that requirement but that doesn't make them any more trustworthy.

I know that this is a forum that is small and is closely knit and I like it for that.  However, excluding those who wish to contribute in other ways may not be the way to go.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 08:04:05 am »

The rules came about because there were a "small" number of people who joined for just the purpose of selling to the group.  Even when they posted, it was as you said, just "jibber jabber posts just to meet that requirement ". 

One person continually stated it was his recently deceased grandfathers stone that he was selling and he acted insulted that he was questioned, though he never posted any proof to statements he made and was evasive.  He did some jibber jabber posts, but never really seriously posted.  I think he was the one that ended up stealing a semi truck worth of stone from one of our members and then had the nerve to come on here and try to sell it.  So its a bit of a sensitive issue to many of our members.

I can see your point and maybe there is some leeway that can be given, though once you go down that road, what you do for one member, you have to do for all members, or its discrimination and nobody wants that.  The thing that works the best, is to just participate, even if minimally, until you get your numbers up, and then no one will fault you.

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 08:52:42 am »

50 posts is a small number to come up with; especially if you are active on other forums and do business or even hobby in the rock/lapidary/jewelry feilds. By showing some of what you do and some handiwork starting from scratch, people can get an idea of the work you do and your areas of interest. Even replying to your introduction hellos racks up the posts so I think anyone that bristles at 50 posts perhaps is in a hurry to get somewhere. Some of our members might post that number in 2-3 days :<)))
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 10:23:37 am »

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying.  However, it tends to give the appearance of an eliteist group where the circle never stops.  Personally, I have no problem with that.  If people don't like the policy then they can just go elsewhere.  It's just that, for me thus far, I don't have the personal confidence while in this forum that I have with others and I had to "work" to gain that with them.  I'm still very new to this hobby and am still in the learning process.  It's a long curve and I'm at the bottom.  I've felt that the members of this forum are at a FAR advanced level above me and thus I have little to contribute.  I hope that changes as I learn more.

This is my 48th post.  Only two more and I'll begin selling like crazy  yippie- NOT.
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2013, 11:45:24 am »

Maybe too liberal?
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2013, 12:02:55 pm »

Policy or politics (jibber jabber post shamelessly used to reach 50 posts)?
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2013, 12:14:45 pm »

Everybody has things to offer, never feel like we are too advanced.  I learn stuff all the time and see things and stones i never knew existed and i must have done this at least 10 years now.  Even a young child can see something that maybe experienced members would overlook.  There is always a new point of view that most may never see, but that a new person sees right away.  And there are always questions to ask and things to learn.  Many people are usually thinking the same thing or wondering the same thing, and if no one ever asks, then that opportunity is lost.  So never be embarrassed to ask questions or point things out.  We are very friendly around here and the members are really nice and helpful and generous.  And if anyone gives someone a hard time, i will hunt them down like a dog and beat them with a rubber hose, and then take their rocks away from them and not give them back till their parents come to pick up their bratty child.  There.  Remember, whacko, that's me.  Someday i hope to be normal again (not really).

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2013, 06:06:06 pm »

WOOHOOOO Denny!

What ya got for sale now?




PS, your box left today................Tony
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2013, 12:41:11 am »

Right on, I have enough posts to sell some bridges by now -- soon I'll have enough to sell my friggin' soul! dunno

Not a clue where that came from or what it means (ignore the text behind the curtain)...

Seriously I know 50 posts doth not honest make but I have, more than once in just the short time I've been around here, seen people fly in, try to sell or question the policy then make a few attempt to get enough posts -- and give up. In some cases, and call it just a "vibe" I think that frustration that made them give up was that they were actually going to have to think a little bit in order to screw some people over so they left. I like the rule - wouldn't even mind if it were 500 posts required.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2013, 02:04:22 am »

Our forum was created as a place to meet others with similar interests and as a place to exchange ideas.  It was not created as a place to sell stones, jewelry, or what have you. At some point along the way, the idea was floated that maybe we should allow members to sell to each other and our Shop and Swap area was born.

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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2013, 07:44:21 am »

WOOHOOOO Denny!

What ya got for sale now?




PS, your box left today................Tony

Tony,

Great news about the box, I'm looking forward to it.

What could I sell or trade to you that you don't already have?  Besides, much of what I have I bought from you anyway.  If there is anything I have that you would like (you've probably seen my pix on the hounding forum), let me know and I'll send you some.  I figure I've got at least 1,000 slabs by now and still have a fair amount of rough to go.

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2013, 07:48:01 am »

Right on, I have enough posts to sell some bridges by now -- soon I'll have enough to sell my friggin' soul! dunno

Not a clue where that came from or what it means (ignore the text behind the curtain)...

Seriously I know 50 posts doth not honest make but I have, more than once in just the short time I've been around here, seen people fly in, try to sell or question the policy then make a few attempt to get enough posts -- and give up. In some cases, and call it just a "vibe" I think that frustration that made them give up was that they were actually going to have to think a little bit in order to screw some people over so they left. I like the rule - wouldn't even mind if it were 500 posts required.

awwwww Frank, why you pickin on me now (((((((
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2013, 08:09:38 pm »

Definitely not meaning to pick on anyone! No no, just having some fun with the general views on the policy and to me 50 posts seemed miniscule to get seller's rights - I was feeling like a king - "off with their heads! and I want 10 gold pieces for each of them!" yes
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2013, 07:30:55 am »

wow... 50 posts?  What if a person is part of another forum (RTH) in good standing? Would that count for anything :) I'm a good honest rock nut LOL
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2013, 07:35:35 am »

No exceptions, Judy. People have been extraordinarily generous here with advice on what is acceptable... I believe you have read this thread but feel free to review it.
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2013, 07:51:10 am »

Yes, I guess I can understand...
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2013, 08:02:38 am »

Ah c'mon Judy - you can come up with 37 ways to explain to the others why they should all send me their rock! Remember the little train that "could" weightlifter driving chuckle
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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2013, 10:26:30 am »

wow... 50 posts?  What if a person is part of another forum (RTH) in good standing? Would that count for anything :) I'm a good honest rock nut LOL

some of it is about honesty, but some is about membership. the purpose of the space is not really selling, but rather offered as a way for member to member exchanges. That is exchanges between folks who first and foremost wanted ot be members here, and intend to be members here long after any item is sold..

yeah, someone could scam the 50 with a bunch of empty replies, but no system is perfect. Tao picked 50. Heck I would've said 50 threads, or 300 replies, or 8 months.

anybody can go to bob's rock board and put up a free classified even if they never hang out there. this space is different
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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2013, 11:59:02 am »

I can understand why I suppose... dont want just anyone barging in and blasting everyone with for sale ads...

Frank - you crack me up!! roar
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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2013, 01:39:52 pm »

Makes sense to me. I just wish eBay would let me limit international buyers to minimum 50 transactions before they bid.

In other news I just realized this is my 50th post!

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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2013, 11:21:21 pm »

Makes sense to me. I just wish eBay would let me limit international buyers to minimum 50 transactions before they bid.

In other news I just realized this is my 50th post!

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2013, 01:13:52 am »

 chuckle Gary...
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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2013, 11:04:19 am »

I'm up to 16 posts!! LOL yippie
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2013, 12:43:34 pm »

I'm up to 16 posts!! LOL yippie
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2013, 04:10:35 pm »

Makes sense to me. I just wish eBay would let me limit international buyers to minimum 50 transactions before they bid.

In other news I just realized this is my 50th post!

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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2013, 04:25:06 pm »

It really is amazing how often this subject comes up.   I've only been on this site for a blink of an eye too.  Bev
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2013, 12:18:18 am »

I, being a new member have no problem with this rule, to many other sites have turned into trash vendor sites and I for one would hate to see this turn into the same.. This, to me, is a social, informational, and instructional forum, not a store site.
I would however like it if admin would create a page / forum/ or whatever that member sellers can post a link to their sites so that member like me can buy slab/rough  from them rather than spend money with people of unknown repute. Thus keeping our money in the "family"
Thank you kindly for listening to my tirade.  Charles
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2013, 07:53:31 am »

you have the banners at the top. some are current, some are for people who have not been here in a while. also, they are not strictly an endorsement. they do hold out promise of a site for someone you may have interacted with on the board.

beyond that I think things are problematic. the site would have to decide who deserved to be on the list, and what happens if there is a complaint/dispute. not a good place to be. and even if no problems, it would have to be maintained, an additional task for a volunteer overworked admin.

interact, get to recognize folks, look for things offered in the buy/sell section. see if you can match up banners with active members ... etc.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 11:14:27 am »

To be honest, I found this site when doing a search for Fordite to buy. I did not know there were rockhound forums out there (duh!), I've done plenty of searching, but usually for specific things and never thought to look for a forum.
Anyway when the admin contacted me and asked why I wanted to join, and if I planned to sell - explaining the rule, I thought "what would I have to sell to folks doing the same thing as me?"
I don't have any problem with the rule, but after reading and searching thru this site, perhaps at some point I will have something that someone here may find of interest.
This is an awesome site, been reading the tons of old threads and really enjoying all there is to learn.
I'm not new to rock hounding or Lapidary work, so I will chime in now and then, but for now, just devouring information. Walt
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« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2014, 06:51:53 am »

I have ZERO objection to the 50-post policy, and intend to try for barter rather than selling anyway.  What is driving me bonkers is that I cannot FIND the shop & swap section.  I tried a link from this thread, but it did not return a current thread result.  Could someone drop me a link to where the current shop & swap is so I can bookmark it for when I do meet the post requirements?  help
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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2014, 08:40:40 am »

Hi Snake.  Here is the direct link:

http://gemstone.smfforfree4.com/index.php/board,6.0.html

Here is the thread link:

> Forum > Lapidary the Internet and You / Moderator, Michael Hoover > Shop and Swap

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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2014, 08:46:31 am »

Shop and Swap is not visible to anyone who does not yet have 50 posts.  That was something the previous Admin, Aaron set up as we were having a lot of problems.
Hopefully the link Mark gave you above works for you.
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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2014, 08:58:15 am »

I was wondering if needing 50 posts might be the case.  I have no problem since i have 100 times the amount needed, so i can go directly there, passing go but not collecting $200, dang!

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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2014, 11:36:42 am »

Mark and Amanda:
I thought the 50 post rule was for selling only. I though you could buy as long as you were a member. Been too long for me to remember, but I thought I had read access to the swap and sell from as soon as I joined. Boy I'm old........ dunno

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« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2014, 12:19:32 pm »

You should be able to buy from the very first post.  The rule was to discourage people who wanted to join only for selling.  If you are denied access to the shop and swap area until 50 posts, then that indirectly limits you from buying and swapping from the members that are posting there in addition to being blocked from selling, which is what the rule is set up for.  Theoretically, you could do these things from anywhere, but if you are caught, just remember the saying, don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.  In this case the time will be the short time you are a member before your membership is revoked.

I'll look into this and get back to y'all.

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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2014, 12:23:40 pm »

Yeah you can buy under 50 posts, no one is stopping you from buying.
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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2014, 11:36:00 am »

So we can not purchase or see the "shop and swap". I do understand the reasoning behind this for someone trying to sell bad items or scam members. However if we wanted to purchase items shouldn't we be able to do so. Would that be helpful to the members that are selling? I very seldom sell but do a lot of purchasing.

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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2014, 11:48:47 am »

It is a problem with the swap and sell board. You can't allow it to be viewed without being able to sell.

But some of the members post cabs through out the forum and plan to offer them for sale. Some members have links to their websites that you can go to and buy there. Otherwise you can PM any of the members and ask if they are willing to sell a stone or piece of jewelry that they have posted. Once you get the 50 posts this will no longer be a problem for you.

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« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2015, 07:02:16 am »

Is there a time limit on the 50 posts?
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« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2015, 12:38:29 pm »

No, but if you start to pack the forum just to get to 50 posts, you may be talked to! Others have tried that, with bad results. The idea behind the rule is to let the forum get to know you and become part of the family.

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« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2015, 04:22:44 pm »

Getting a feel as to who you are dealing with  the age of Internet scams is a very good idea. Every time that I have advertised equipment for sale on Rockhounds.com I have had scammers come after me with offers to send the bank check by next day air and arrange for their carrier to pick it up. The last time that I advertised an 18" saw, I just asked the guy what he planned to cut with it and got the answer, " rocks" as it is advertised as a rock saw. I then asked what types of rocks and got no answer.
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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2015, 10:15:41 am »

Jack, I used to get those same messages all the time.  I think they stopped when I changed web hosts.  The most common thing I would get would be a querry like "how much do your rock blades cost?  After wasting time messaging back and forth to find out what blades it would become obvious they were scammers.  The other variation would be a request for a quote for really big ticket items (like 3 Titans) or an order for 100 24" blades.  They appeal to greed and it takes a while to figure them out.  In the case of the 100 blades I used to tell them to contact MK directly. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2015, 05:43:31 pm »

I bet MK just loved you lol.
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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2015, 08:43:50 am »

I understand this policy if one wants to sell, but what about those of us who want to buy....does this policy go both ways?  Yes I am a newbie so sorry if this is mentioned elsewhere but with my ADD I must ask while I remember the question....grinning.  Anyway here is my introduction...short and sweet, just like I like it.
I became a full time RV'er, with my husband since 2003. I sold my business and my husband quit his job, we sold our home and left the very next day.  We have not lived the traditional lifestyle, and we are so much richer for it.  My first experience was in Quartzite AZ at their rock gem and mineral club 2005.  That is when the bug bit me bad! But then we moved onto a boat and did not have the space to continue lapidary and my metal smithing art.  In 2012 we became land lubbers again, and moved back into another motor home. Last year we made the plunge into a 55+ community and now have a home base just outside of Temecula, CA and for the first time in a dozen years I have a SHE SHED....grinning.  Our rig actually sighed when I moved my collection into the shed. In the 55+ community we moved into they have an art center, and I am leading the pack in getting a lapidary and metal smith shop incorporated into the center.  We spend our summers in the North West volunteering, currently located in Honeyman State Park three miles south of Florence Oregon where we are interpretive hosts for the summer.  I have not been successful in finding local clubs where I park our wheels, and I need to learn a lot more than what I know now before I take on starting a club within my community back in Temecula, CA.
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« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2015, 09:29:06 am »

Welcome to the forum. You cannot see  the sell thread until you reach 50 posts. It's to keep spammers off the forum. You can buy from anyone that has an ad or website listed in their signature.  If you are interested in a particular mineral. just post a query and see who replies. 50 posts come quickly and it gives folks a chance to meet you and learn your abilities and interests. Oh and one more thing, pictures are always welcome.

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2015, 04:04:07 am »

Logging in to this forum each day and reading the posts, you should find enough of interest to chime in 3 or 4 times and within a couple of weeks you are golden. 

As others have stated, we have had people in the past who came in and made 50 nonsensical posts in 1 or 2 days.  They mostly are gone in another couple of days.  No one will get rich here selling to members, this is not a gold mine for dealers or scammers.  Most members probably have more than enough rock to last them a couple of hundred years and are more likely sellers than buyers.  So when scammers have tried to move in here, they may make a few quick sales, but that's probably about it.  When they see little to no interest, then they fade away. 

If anyone is looking for anything in particular, they should just post that they are looking for so and so stone or a variety of stone and some members will probably respond back with stone for sale or often even in trade.

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« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2015, 09:56:28 am »

I'm bumping this as there have been a few members recently who may not have seen it.
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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2015, 06:21:21 pm »

Someone sent me an email letting me know that they were able to see the classifieds prior to reaching the 50.

Maybe someone with less than 50 posts can confirm they see this http://gemstone.smfforfree4.com/index.php/board,6.0.html
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« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2015, 09:14:29 am »

Wow! I never even noticed the swap and shop hidden in the general listings list and had no idea that was here. I kept clicking on " classifieds" and " classified/ auction" at the top of the page where the gray categories are listed, thinking it was one of those - and just seeing the same two listings by sellers snakeadelic and I think edwardscale and thinking those were the only listings on here. If you had not just posted that link I might NEVER have seen that swap and shop section. Maybe it should be its own gray section heading in the top area instead of those two classifieds that have been there since I joined?
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« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2015, 10:58:51 am »

EVERY time that I have advertised equipment for sale of Bob's Rock shop, I have been come after by the foreign scammers offering to have their freight company pick it up and my " Official" Bank check would come by FED X . In order to play with one guy who wanted an 18" saw, I asked him what did he plan on cutting with it. He did not have a clue as to how to answer other than a rock since the ad said rock saw. It is good to have some idea of who you are dealing with.
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« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2015, 03:36:10 pm »

EVERY time that I have advertised equipment for sale of Bob's Rock shop, I have been come after by the foreign scammers offering to have their freight company pick it up and my " Official" Bank check would come by FED X .

Did the foreign scammers contacting you happened after using the forum's classifieds, or someplace else ?
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« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2015, 11:53:04 pm »

how awesome would it be to fill a box with leavarite and let them come and collect it  yes
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