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« on: October 01, 2011, 10:12:34 pm »

Where I have my studio table is in an area where not far away overhead is the chimney pipe for the hot water heater.  In the past I have had water drip from it onto my bench but it's never been a huge issue.  In fact it was never more than a couple drips and then it stopped.  I've pointed it out to my Parents before since it's their house.  We had the roof redone about 7 years ago.  However each time I show it to them they say it's nothing to worry about.

I am working on a project tonight and I go to pick up an item and I realize it's wet - no make that completely sodden to the point where I can't use it till it's dried out.  Wait a minute - where's the water coming from?  I look up - the pipes overhead are dry, the airducts and chimney pipe end appear dry.  WTF?  I hear dripping but I don't see it.  And I'm noticing that it's more than a few drips.  I discover as I move things around that at least a third of my table has a puddle on it.  Now I'm concerned. 

I finish up the project I'm working on and start cleaning things up, trying to find out where this damned water is coming from.  Then I see it.  It's coming down the outside of the chimney pipe, the wood flooring around it above my head is WET! 

So I cleared off a section of my bench and have a towel folded up there to catch the drips from the pipe and this time I swear if Dad says it's nothing to worry about I believe some words are going to be exchanged.  They need to get my sister over here and have her assess it and see what it is going to take to fix it the right way.  I know my sister can fix it, it's just a matter of getting the stuff to fix it.

Wet wood will eventually ROT, Rotting wood grows mold and calls carpenter ants.  Not only is the mold a safety issue, but I can't stand ants.  Add to this I don't need some of my supplies or tools rusting because of the moisture.  The stones won't be harmed by it, but silver exposed to moisture tarnishes, steel tools rust, copper forms an interesting patina - all of which I hardly want.

So until they get this leak fixed how should I deal with this leak since it can cause a possible hazard?
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 10:32:58 pm »

For a quick reasonable temporary fix, I would recomend a Silicone Sealant (the ones you use on windows and sinks) It works just as well on wood and stone. But remember, thats only a quick "temporary"solution.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 06:29:13 am »


You have got to figure out why its doing it....just doesn't sound normal.  You are on the right track.
If I were there I could figure out why.....but that won't happen.
Good luck for sure in stopping the leak.
Keep us posted.

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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2011, 09:52:14 am »

I dont know Sweetie but a leak will cost lots of money if you dont get it fixed and you already knew that.
If its coming from around the vent to the roof  it just needs some sealant. But someone needs to climb on the roof and do it for you.
If your sister comes over go to Home Depot or Lowes and ask them what to use as sealant.
Ahhhh the pleasure of owing a house.....
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 10:10:48 am »

A few questions about it. Is it the roof dirrectly above you that the vent goes through? Or is it a second floor? Has it been raining? The water heater vent shouldn't really have any water in or on it. Is it a metal vent pipe? I don't know much about the possability of condensation in the East (being in Cal.) A drop or two maybe from condensation if it's been really cold. But sounds like there must be a water pipe involved if you have that much water, or a roof leak in the flashing. Being a plumber by trade, I'd say you better get it fixed what ever it is. If it's a metal vent. Then you have the chance/probability of rusting out the pipe. Then you'll have carbon monoxide issues to deal with. Not a good thing.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 05:56:22 pm »

So I gave my folks the tour of the leak and showed them the extent of things.  The pudding in the pie was opening the door to the closet on the main floor that the chimney pipe runs through and one of the vacuums was wet and there were rust streaks going down the outside of the pipe. 

I don't know when they are having my sister come over.  I'd crawl up there myself except I have issues with vertigo and shouldn't be climbing.  My sister has the ladder and all the proper tools as a construction worker and can get up there and assess the situation.  Dad thinks the flashing around the chimney might have a leak in it.  We had a new roof put on about 8 years ago and haven't had any problems with water coming in till this leak appeared.

My table in the studio has been moved a few inches so water is no longer an issue.  At least my beads are safe now.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 06:12:04 pm »

I don't know about back there but out here in our area it can always be somewhat of a challenge with heater vents. You see there has to be an air gap to keep the vent pipe away form combustible materials like wood and shingles, usually 1" or so. It takes a special vent flashing through the roof and if you have a lot of snow and rain sometimes these things can rust through fairly fast and depending on the fuel and the amount of corrosion that is produce by the process of combustion they may not last 25 years like the rest of the roof. I know that my water heater vent gave me fits in my old house because instead of being the proper double walled flue pipe it was the old single walled flue pipe and the joints were not taped properly and it also  had the wrong vent cap on it so I had to pull out all of the old single wall flue and put in new double wall, a proper roof jack that had the proper air gap from the combustible roof sheathing and then fit it all under the shingles and install a wind resistant roof cap and then get an inspector to come out and give me a green tag. What a freaking mess all that was! Then the inspector noticed my gas dryer exhaust, it was just that expanded aluminum exhaust duct up through the roof and I had to do it just like the water heater flue and get another inspection. I have grown to dislike code inspectors!!! 
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 05:35:22 am »

The pipe in question is the exhaust for the hot water heater only.  I know it had a new cap and much of the pipe was new when the hot water heater was installed about 6 years ago.  Our best guess is either the flashing where it meets the roof has become unsealed, or something has gotten in and damaged the cap on the chimney somehow.  We'll know more when my sister gets up there.

As for inspectors - it depends on your town.  Codes tend to be relatively universal but how they are enforced varies widely from town to town out here.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 06:14:12 am »


I will bet that your sister will find the problem and its going to be in the fit between the vent and the roof.

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 12:24:05 pm »

You're probably right TOG. 
At least my sister knows how to fix that sort of thing.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 03:49:56 pm »

Glad you were able to move your table to another spot at least!

Be careful about mold.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 06:41:25 pm »


Be careful about mold.

I'll be watching for mold because of my allergies to mold.  Knowing the leak is on the roof someplace, Mom and Dad are going to have my sister crawl up into the attic and check out the insulation and make sure it's not molding as well.  My sister is so much more lithe and agile than I am even though we weigh about the same.  We were just built differently.
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 04:19:29 am »


Keep us posted.  I was thinking of you this morning as it started raining pretty hard.  I went out to my #2 workshop to check for leaks.  It looked fine thank goodness.

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 05:07:00 am »


Keep us posted.  I was thinking of you this morning as it started raining pretty hard.  I went out to my #2 workshop to check for leaks.  It looked fine thank goodness.

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I'll trade you the rain with the frost I woke up to this morning.   yes
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 09:26:01 am »


Keep us posted.  I was thinking of you this morning as it started raining pretty hard.  I went out to my #2 workshop to check for leaks.  It looked fine thank goodness.

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I'll trade you the rain with the frost I woke up to this morning.   yes

No, go ahead and keep it.  It will hit here soon enough.  Going for my last knee check with the Dr. and then going over and get some apples at the Orchard.  Not sure what they are having this week.  They pick so many bins of culls and so many bins of #1's.  We get the culls as they are a lot cheaper and are just about as good.

That has nothing to do with your lake table at all....just rambling on.

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 03:45:11 pm »

We have finally had some rain yippie and a bit of a cool down but it will be back in the nineties  next week but at least I don't think it will be in the hundreds for awhile but who knows for sure out here. Mold can sure be nasty to some folk but not be a bother to others. That good earthy smell of compost is mostly the smell of molds and other fungus at work breading down organic matter. In the winter around here  after a rain things get these little black spots on them and that is just a mold starting to bread down the dead organic material and it sure plays havoc with folks. My oldest son sure has problems with the stuff that breaks down Bermuda grass but it doesn't phase me in the least. He has been better since we moved to the boondocks.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 03:53:32 pm »


Yes fer sure fer sure be careful of the mold as some can be deadly.

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2011, 05:55:33 am »

It's supposed to start raining here for the next several days.
Ought to be interesting to see how the leak behaves under several days of rain.  Thankfully my table has been moved the few inches to keep a new lake from forming.  However that doesn't mean that the carpeting under my table is safe...All depends on how heavily it rains and how fast the leak becomes.  My Sister hasn't had a chance to go crawling around on the roof yet...
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2011, 03:55:44 pm »

She'd better hurry it up winter rains are a coming and you don't want the basement to turn in the dismal swamp. hide
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2011, 06:09:59 pm »

She'd better hurry it up winter rains are a coming and you don't want the basement to turn in the dismal swamp. hide

Winter rains?  No such thing here...
We just get SNOW and more SNOW!  I live where snowdrifts go to die each year!  saved4
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2011, 10:28:33 am »


Farmington, New York.  With all the snow it must get darn cold?  Can't stand the snow and cold much any more.  I am looking for a nice rural area in the northwest with perpetual 75 degree weather, year around.
Haven't found it yet.
How is the lake business?  Better, worse or the same?

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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2011, 06:13:45 pm »


Farmington, New York.  With all the snow it must get darn cold?  Can't stand the snow and cold much any more.  I am looking for a nice rural area in the northwest with perpetual 75 degree weather, year around.
Haven't found it yet.
How is the lake business?  Better, worse or the same?

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Cold?  Yeah like -10F in the winter.  We see that sometimes in January or February.  I'm in zone 6a where I am.  Around me we have microclimates ranging from 5a, 5b, to 6b.  Due to this the nursery I work at tries to sell stock that is hardy to zone 4 or 5.  We have the benefit of having wonderful neighbors - one drives a plow part-time in the winter and the other has a plow on his ATV.  They come down and plow out our 70ft driveway regularly because they realized that Mom and I would be the ones out there in -10F shoveling it clean because Dad can't help due to his physical limitations.  70 feet with a turnaround is a heck of a lot of driveway to be shoveling.  I think last year Mom and I only had to go out and shovel twice - and even then we would only get part of it done and they would just appear with the plow and motion us out of the way.

It's pouring outside on and off today (Fall rains), but I haven't been downstairs yet today to check on the lake yet...   hide
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2011, 07:55:33 pm »


 omg

-10  Once in ten years it might get that here but it doesn't last.  I would be froze up for sure.

I wonder how my SS knees are going to hold up in the cold.  Maybe I can get them warm then wrap them up and the steel will act like a thermos does...holds in the heat.

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2011, 08:44:27 pm »

TOG,
I checked on the lake earlier between making chili and baking cornbread.  Yeah it's there, just thankfully not on my bench!  It's on the concrete floor.  

As for your knees - well, I have several family friends who have had knee replacements - how they feel come winter all depends on how they take care of themselves.  One constantly complains about hurting and aching, but she never gets off her butt and MOVES around.  The other seems to be moving around like they had never had a need for surgery and they do circles around folks younger than them.  It's all about attitude.  If you do your exercises like the doc says and keep yourself moving, and you keep positive, you'll do fine through winter.  yes
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2011, 05:53:17 am »


Well I like to exercise.  I  ride my bike.....that will stop once we get slick roads....probably start walking at Home Depot......I'll do allright.

I know several 'complainers'.....swore I would not be one.....I have a positive attitude and love my new knees.....

Whens your sister going to fix the roof?

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2011, 04:12:12 pm »


Well I like to exercise.  I  ride my bike.....that will stop once we get slick roads....probably start walking at Home Depot......I'll do allright.

I know several 'complainers'.....swore I would not be one.....I have a positive attitude and love my new knees.....

Good, you're all set then.  We have a local mall that opens it doors at 6AM for "mall walkers" who use the mall in all weather to walk and get exercise.

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When she decides to get off her butt and do it.
Considering Dad got so pissed at her on the phone yesterday that he hung up on her, who knows.  dunno bricks
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2011, 06:06:18 pm »

So my sister got up on the roof this past weekend and she caulked the leaky area - or what she felt might be leaking to see if that stopped the leak.  Now we wait for rain to see if it worked...
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2011, 07:45:07 pm »

Its raining hard in KC, might be testing soon... Good Luck:)
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2011, 03:41:39 am »


Lets hope sis knows what she is doing.

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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2011, 06:45:24 am »


Well.......is it fixed?

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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2011, 06:06:13 pm »

So far no further leaking so she must have finally plugged the hole when she went up there and caulked.
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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2011, 04:29:40 pm »


Great.

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